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Civic Nationalism vs Ethnonationalism | Laura Towler

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In her video entitled ‘Fake Patriotism’, Laura Towler – a self-described real nationalist – addresses nationalism, what it means, and what it is, as well as the distinction between Civic Nationalism and Ethnonationalism.

The ludicrous left has caricatured the concept of nationalism, which in turn affects the public’s understanding of what nationalism is and what it involves. They attack nationalists and have associated it with images of skinheads and supremacists. This may be the only version some people (including yourself, perhaps) are aware of since the political left are overrepresented in media and education (in general in the liberal arts and human sciences).

“What is truth? For the multitude, that which it continually reads and hears.”

Oswald Spengler, The Decline of the West

In this video, Laura talks through the various sides and issues of nationalism, from the perspective of a nationalist. You will see that it is a normal and actually common view but the label and term have been under attack by the liberal left as it doesn’t fit into the amalgam of a multicultural utopia that they envision. 

Proponents of nationalism are attacked, are libelled against, and censored by the cancel culture of the left. When you actually read the primary text of authors who write about nationalism and its benefits, you will see that it is nothing of the sort. It’s all ideological smoke and mirrors to keep you away from an idea that they don’t agree with.

I have transcribed the video and edited only for clarity as best as I could. Any emphasis and errors are my own. Text between square brackets [ ] are my own thoughts.

Who Am I

I am a nationalist, and when I say ‘nationalist’ I am a REAL nationalist so I don’t believe that a piece of paper from the government determines who you are. I believe who you actually determines who you are.

…I think you should be able to travel to Japan and hear Japanese being spoken and experience Japanese culture, and I think you should be able to travel to India and see Indian people and hear Indian[ Hindi] being spoken and experience Indian culture. And I think in Britain you should see British people and hear English being spoken or one of the other indigenous languages of our island and you should experience British culture. I believe that every group of people has the right to their own home.

Imagine a world where we didn’t have that. We’d all look the same for a start. There’d be no more diversity in the world. God knows what language we’d speak. I guess we wouldn’t be able to communicate with our neighbors and there’d be conflict. Because despite the image that globalists would like to paint of different races all sat around the campfire toasting marshmallows and singing kumbaya – that isn’t grounded in reality. People stick to their own so little pockets of communities would form, people would continue to celebrate their culture and religion of their people and there’d be conflict, resentment and power grabs.

The establishment will teach you that nationalism is about hurting everybody else. But that isn’t true. As a nationalist, I love my people and our nation and respect all other peoples too. 

[This misunderstanding of nationalism – that nationalism is about hurting everybody else – is an example of common logical fallacy and cognitive bias – the idea that two things cannot be true at once.]

We can live in peace and friendship side by side, in separate nations and separate developments but we cannot have the mix up of people and students – who are widely different AND divergent. 

[The key point here is that some values are not just different but in direct opposition to the host country. An example is forced genital mutilation for women which is rampant and mainstream in African and Muslim communities and countries.]

It will lead to nothing but trouble. 

[A fact supported by millions of peoples’ lived experience as well as crime statistics. Take a look at this article: Radical Islamic jihadists make up 82 per cent of the prisoners jailed for terrorist offences across ten European countries, with more terrorists in prison than at any time over the past twenty years, a report has found. ]

Ethno Nationalism vs Civic Nationalism

Within nationalism, there are two terms or two labels that you may have heard of, ethno and civic. The key difference between these two terms is that ethno nationalists – believe that race or ethnic group do matter. And civic nationalists believe that race or ethnic group do not matter. 

I’m in the first group. I think that race and ethnic group do matter. Now, this doesn’t mean that everybody in Britain has to take a DNA test. And if you’re not one hundred percent ethnically British you have to have to leave – of course, it DOESN’T mean that it. It just means that the British – the native British, should be the majority in their own country. We shouldn’t be on track to becoming a minority in Britain – our share of the population shouldn’t be getting smaller and smaller. We shouldn’t already be less than 50% of the population in London, Leicester, Luten and Slough Bermingham etc. 

I know the term ethnonationalism sounds really really scary – but it’s actually a very normal and widespread way of thinking…that a people should be a majority in their own country. That’s all that ethnonationalism is. Civic nationalism, as I explained earlier, is the belief that race or ethnic group do not matter – and instead, all that matters is character and how an individual behaves – their race is completely irrelevant. I think this is a very appealing way of thinking for many people because as fair and decent people we want to judge people based on their character right? 

Their behaviour and their morals – as an individual matters more than the way that they were born right? Well I think on an individual level, yes. For example if I got a train and there were two empty seats – and one was next to a British man who was really really drunk and he smelled really bad and he was spitting on people and he was being violent – and the other was next to a Chinese man to had good hygiene and he was just sitting there being polite who would I rather sit near? Well I would rather sit near the Chinese man, of course I would. 

There are good people and bad people in all races – but we’re not talking of individuals here. We’re talking of hundreds of thousands or even millions of people. You cannot zone in on one person, you cannot allow your best friend to represent an entire race or ethnic group – YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL TRENDS OF THE ENTIRE GROUP. And reality tells us that we’re not all the same. A small number of immigrants and their descendants is fine assuming they are of good character. But if we allow such huge numbers that the percentage of native Britons plummets – then Britain will no longer be Britain – it will just be Pakistan or Africa, but somewhere else. 

If we replaced all the Chinese people in China and say we replaced them all with Indians – would China still be China or would it just be India somewhere else? 

I don’t want to misrepresent civic nationalists in this video – I want to be fair. If the government said tomorrow ‘we’re going to ship 50 million Africans into Britain – most civnats would say they are against that. They’d say something like ‘it’s too many too soon’, ‘they wouldn’t be able to integrate.’ Etc etc. So their argument is that you can allow small amounts of immigrations and the new arrivals can integrate into British society. But if your argument is that race doesn’t matter – then surely it doesn’t matter how far this goes. 

So if one day Britain was only 50 percent ethnically British then this wouldn’t matter right? Or 25 percent British this wouldn’t matter or 5 percent British, it wouldn’t matter? If Britain was 5 percent ethnically British and 95 percent African then it wouldn’t be Britain anymore. Whether those Africans wave the union jack, watch cricket or drink tea or whether they don’t – it would not be the same. And I don’t believe that anyone honestly thinks that it would. It’s a way of thinking that completely ignores reality. And science and even evolution and nature. 

Back to civic nationalists – whenever I have a conversation with a civet and I ask them if they are happy for the British to become a minority in Britain 9/10 they will tell me no. They do not want that to happen. Well if you think that ethnicity matters. And that British people should remain the majority then you’re not civnat are you? I’ve actually had arguments with covenants before and they’ve told me that they HATE ethnonationalism. And I’ve asked them what their views and beliefs are and they’ve told me and their views are just exactly the same as mine. 

I think lots of things influence how a person behaves – culture matters too. And I would even argue that spirit matters. But as an ethnat I’m simply recognising that your genetics or your race or ethnics groups are does play a part in who you are. To conclude this section I’d like to refer to something I said a moment ago. I said that the term ethnonationalism sounds quite scary so some people – nowadays I just call myself a nationalist rather than an ethnonationalism. 

There are two reasons why the first is because as I’ve just said I think the term ethnonationalism can be quite off-putting for some people misinterpret what that means…but the second reason is that I don’t think that civic nationalism is nationalism at all. I don’t think we should have the terms ethnat and civnat I think we should just have the terms nationalist and globalist. If you’re happy for your people to become a minority in their own country then I’m sorry but you’re not a nationalist at all. 

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Dismantling Civic Nationalism

I love my flag, I understand how you can love your flag, but to me my flag represents my people and my nation and I love my nation and my country but to me my nation IS my people so when I say I love my flag or my nation I’m talking about my people…

I think that words like flag and country and values are thrown around without any real thought put into how we would define these words and what these words actually represent, and mean. What stops a flag just being a piece of cloth – it’s what that flag represents – ‘our people’ well who is ‘our people’?

Is being British determined by whether the government has given you a passport or not – a piece of paper that they hand out at hundreds of thousands per year, or is it determined by whether you’re born here. If so then does that mean that if I was born in China that I would be Chinese? If I was born in the sea would I have been a mermaid? 

Is being British determined by where you live because Salman Abedi was born in Manchester and he lived in Britain until he murdered twenty-two people in the Manchester areas bombing in 2017. Is he British? Those people during the BLM riots who were setting fire to our flag and pulling down our monuments – are they British? They were born here and they live here. Is that who our flag represents. If being British is based on your passport or where you live or where you’re born or where you live.  When would you answer those questions? You’d have to reduce an identity down to a piece of paper that the government issues should have to say something like yes Laura you were born in Somali that makes you Somalian. But everybody knows that that sounds ridiculous.

The word nation – derives from the Latin word – natio and the greek equivalent of the Latin word natio – is ethnos – similar to ethnicity. IS a nation used to be a collection of people who had a shared ancestry, culture, language etc. today is our nation just a group of people with the same passport. Or are our nation’s just some lines drawn in a map? How would a civnat describe our nation or our country? Well I think they would say it’s about having shared values, freedom and prosperity, right? 

So if being British is just about shared values – when who gets to decide what those values are. If all it takes is a love of freedom and prosperity to be British – then what’s the difference between a British person and any other European person including people in America and Australia etc. and I guess if somebody doest adhere to our so-called shared values, then does that mean they are not British? So for example, I don’t support tolerance, openness and diversity, so maybe I’m not British. Who knows it’s all rather flimsy. Some people might say that as long as someone lives here, loves our country, works hard and respects our laws and our morals, they are British, that’s who I stand for. 

That’s how my flag and country represent – but again I will have to respectfully disagree. I think it’s too weak of a definition. How would you even judge who fell into that category? If one of there’s people moves abroad, and gives up their British passport. Are they no longer British. If I move to japan and I’m a really really good citizen do I suddenly become Japanese. If somebody suddenly stops paying their taxes and respecting our laws and our morals but they live here – are they no longer British. What are they instead? How can our identity be reduced to something so frail? The truth is that there’s only one logical way to answer this conundrum and that is to say that the British are the English, the Scottish, the Welsh, the Northern Irish, the Cornish and those from the Orkney Islands. 

Values come and go and change over time but a people is long term. It’s deep-rooted. It’s durable. I know who my people are. They are a distinct group of people and it doesn’t matter where they were born, what passport they have. Or where they currently live or what their personality is like, my people are the British.

They’re the people with the same ancestors. And history has me. Our identity is not open to be appropriated by everybody because if anybody can be British or English then being British or English means absolutely nothing. And that doesn’t mean we can’t be respectful to other people. In fact, I would actually argue that it means you are being more respectful to other peoples and cultures because you’re recognising them as a distinct group and you’re recognising your own people too.  

When you say that you stand for your flag in your country, and your flag represents a country which includes anybody and everybody, then you actually stand for nothing at all.

“In this era of political correctness, some people seem unaware that being squeamish about words can mean being blind to realities.” – Thomas Sowell

There’ll Always Be an England – Vera Lynn

I hope you got something out of this. I had the same views as Laura but didn’t realise it made me an ethnonationalist. I had heard the terms before of ‘civic nationalism ‘and ‘ethnonationalism’ but didn’t know what they represented.

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